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Phil Tanny's avatar

Excellent. Thank you! Not being a scientist myself, much of this goes over my head, but I got the general gist of it, and appreciate the education. Given that I can't usefully comment on the technical information presented above, here's what I've got....

You write, "But prior to invoking the supernatural, as was the case in Peyton’s story, Occam's razor demands that we first exhaust all possible natural explanations."

Why? Doesn't this statement reflect a bias for mechanical explanations of NDEs? Why not just say "we don't know"? I don't claim to know how to explain NDEs and thus have no fixed position regarding supernatural vs. mechanical explanations. Even if we perfectly understood the mechanical factors, that doesn't really prove anything one way or another about the possibility of supernatural factors.

This is obviously just speculation, but I'm open to the idea that "supernatural" may just be a way to describe natural factors beyond our understanding. As example, the entire universe might a single giant conscious brain which is far beyond our ability to grasp, thus we label it as being beyond natural (ie. supernatural) when really it could just be a part of nature which is beyond our ability.

I'm open to the idea that a dying brain might generate pleasing fantasies to ease it's demise. But we might wonder, why are NDEs seemingly always of a rather specific theological nature? To me, the most interesting cases are NDEs in people who are atheist, or even more interesting, completely uninterested in philosophy topics of any kind. Such people aren't for or against theological concepts, because that subject is a total non-issue to them. This suggests that NDEs are something other than people's opinions being amplified at death.

I realize that this is outside of your field, but we might ask, why would evolution lead to spectacular experiences in dead people??? What's the survival value? In fact, NDE experiencers usually prefer to stay dead, and often argue with the encountered beings when told they have to return to life.

I apologize that I can't have this conversation on your technical level, but I hope something above might be interesting. Thanks again!

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The Consciousness Lab's avatar

This is fascinating research - the gamma surge findings and TPO junction activation provide compelling neural correlates for what experiencers report. The anterior-posterior information flow resonates with my own documented experience.

During my electrical trauma, I experienced what felt like systematic “rebooting” - posterior systems (sensory/spatial awareness) came back online first, while anterior functions (executive processing) returned last. Interestingly, I remember the transition seeming simple from “the other side,” but becoming increasingly difficult as I traveled back toward normal brain function - almost as if anterior regions make certain navigation more complex rather than easier, at least upon “re-entry.”

Your seizure patient connection to OBE is intriguing. I keep wondering about similar patterns in anesthesia and whether anomalous consciousness events during surgical procedures might involve comparable neural dynamics. Looking forward to how this research develops - the neurological and experiential data seem to be converging on similar patterns.

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